tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post5829482171526344721..comments2023-10-05T08:21:32.000-04:00Comments on Soul Lite: A Personal Reflection on the Rebbe's "VaYishlach" Teaching in 1991Chonihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10279879507351594239noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post-60107703694493090892011-12-22T21:41:32.790-05:002011-12-22T21:41:32.790-05:00Everything you post is a tremendous learning exper...Everything you post is a tremendous learning experience, and I look forward to your next essay!Angelanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post-30690801031853153532011-12-21T13:26:54.310-05:002011-12-21T13:26:54.310-05:00Choni's response to Angela:
Thank you Angela ...Choni's response to Angela:<br /><br />Thank you Angela for your words of joy. You just gave me a nice joyful laugh. I'm in middle of working the next essay, which I mentioned earlier. I think when it's posted (hopefully, while it's still Chanuka) you'll find that it's in the spirit of trying to "bring heaven down to earth". :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post-24784854198104456222011-12-21T06:28:52.500-05:002011-12-21T06:28:52.500-05:00Batya,
I love how you put my thoughts in expressi...Batya,<br /><br />I love how you put my thoughts in expressions. I agree with you sincerely and from the heart.<br /><br />Desire and persistence will lead us there. Real value we build up in our hearts while the world wants bigger house, bigger cars. Only a few have matured enough in a given lifetime to bring forth permanent spiritual treasures. We can't expect those who haven't yet arrived to understand, but like a woman can only brings forth one child at a time, we spiritually mature at intervals.<br /><br />I've learn to accept any situation and know it's all for the good, but it was a long time before I didn't react. Now I just surrender and am unmoved no matter--for the most part--no matter what happens. <br /><br />Choni, you have the potential to bring heaven to earth with you knowledge and understanding. This is a fun thing to do and has truth: Don't give up your secular birthday too quickly as it adds up to 33--a powerful life number. You have the potential to bring heaven to earth, and you are doing so! Your Hebrew birthday is also extremely important, so celebrate both! (11, 22, 33 are Master numbers as I'm sure you know). and 33 has triple the power of 11! Take this for what you will! You're proving it true.Angelanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post-12241576577165848392011-12-18T23:55:41.126-05:002011-12-18T23:55:41.126-05:00Choni's Continued Repsonse:
Hi Angela and Bat...Choni's Continued Repsonse:<br /><br />Hi Angela and Batya, <br /><br />I love what Angela is saying that the whole system moves upward with the messianic enlightenment. Every detail of the creation is vibrating on a higher level. Therefore, today where on a higher state of consciousness than we were yesterday. It's the same pattern, just repeating on a higher vibrational level.<br /><br />I love what Batya is saying that a woman draws down to her man true Divine existence. In a sense, she births and nurtures his spirituality. I'm not sure that I've experienced this in my personal life, but, I believe Batya that this is the way it should be. I also love how you matched up the inner will of the Creator, as being identified with the Creator Himself. Simply, a Oneness. To my understanding the whole Chassidic movement is a movement designed to be in-tune with the inner will of the Creator. Therefore, every Mitzvah was performed with a sense of, "What does the Creator really desire deep down?".<br /><br />In the light of this past Shabbos, an insight on how the Lubatvitcher Rebbe probably meant for us to understand what it means that both genders will "share one crown" during the messianic era came to me and really resonated within. It does not contradict anything both of you so kindly shared. It's really just a different angle on the same notion. With the Creator's help, I hope to share it as a separate post within the next few days. I have a niece's wedding in the middle. So it might be a bit delayed. However, when it's posted to my satisfaction, I hope to notify both of you via FaceBook message.<br /><br />Best Wishes,<br />ChoniAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post-26090073034899810762011-12-18T02:21:40.045-05:002011-12-18T02:21:40.045-05:00Choni's Repsonse:
Hi Angela and Batya,
Than...Choni's Repsonse:<br /><br />Hi Angela and Batya, <br /><br />Thank you both for your wonderful insights. I enjoyed them. As I came to my computer very late tonight (after a "farbrengen" in Shul), I may need to await tomorrow night to contribute a real response.<br /> <br />Shavuah Tov U'Mivorach,<br /><br />Sincerely Best Wishes,<br />ChoniAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post-75285822879284117362011-12-18T00:30:10.099-05:002011-12-18T00:30:10.099-05:00Once again thankyou for sharing your thoughts. The...Once again thankyou for sharing your thoughts. The roles of man and women may begin with the femenine taking the leading role, for a woman of valor is her husbands crown. The question is first of all, what is a woman of valor? Today that answer was given to me. She is one that fights for the truth. Much like the daughters of Tzlafchad did. They persisted and insisted to inherit their fathers portion of land. We know what is truly valuable in this world and therefor persist and fight for it. Land represents the 7 emotional attributes plus 3 in the time of Moshiach that represents 3 intellectual attributes. When one truly loves someone they will conquer their entire land. Meaning what God has already given to you, you not only inherit but work to earn it. All is for the sake of serving our master. The more we persist the more we draw down our mates true existence into him which is Gods true being, his essence. Women have the role to give birth, she therefor draws in and gives birth to a supernal soul that comes to her and her soul mate. But she does it in a way that does not haveto kill or destroy a previous existence. She spins wool from sheep creating something "new" without destroying what is. We are living in a world where people are getting lost in what has real value. One chooses their mate or partner based on "external" features. Logical features of course. I believe that as we are in this time of transition, relationships even long term are falling apart because these external elements no longer nourish the relationship bettween two people. This is parallel to our relationship with God. One is "redeemed" when his relationship with God transcends external will that make us feel connected, to the internal will where we are not just connected but are ONE with him. On this level we do not question our beloved for we know he does all for our sake.<br /><br />Perhaps in the begining the feminine role is to bring this level to the male. Eventually they become one walking side by side going on an infinite journey to ever higher and higher levels of existence.Batyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post-26948802760182967172011-12-17T05:18:39.198-05:002011-12-17T05:18:39.198-05:00Batya,
I also enjoyed reading and delighted in yo...Batya,<br /><br />I also enjoyed reading and delighted in your enlightenment. <br /><br />According to the part we were made in the first earth age--or at the beginning, we can access up the ladder as much as we want if the desire and curiosity was placed there. All Esau s (represents ending of age) will become a Jacob (a new beginning). Every single one of us must become Hebrews, or else a Jew (there is a difference). Eventually all Muslims will climb up this ladder--some earlier/some later and definitely not in one lifetime, but over thousand and thousands of years. In fact, this goes on forever, and never stops, as new creation is being brought forth from within us (not actually new because God has finished all creation--but it will manifest at different intervals forever).<br /><br />I believe all Hebrews will become a Kohan while Jews/Gentiles can progress upward to an Israel. The Hebrews--again I say not necessarily Jewish--the ones who will become a Kohan are the Bride. Others won't have the desire/potential to reach this level. As in a body--as Choni once mentioned--we have our parts, and we make One. The Head are the Hebrews. The Heart will consists of those who became/will become Jews. The rest of the people make up the rest of the body. (Then members of this one Body brings forth what is within them).<br /><br />And all females must make themselves male to enter the messianic age.Angelanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post-82179513443967102592011-12-16T00:59:49.777-05:002011-12-16T00:59:49.777-05:00Choni's response to Batya Friedman:
Hi Batya,...Choni's response to Batya Friedman:<br /><br />Hi Batya,<br /><br />Thank you very much for your participation. I really enjoyed reading your post. You obviously put a lot of thought and effort into it. Where exactly we're holding on the cosmic timeline is difficult for me to ascertain. My best possible answer is that we're probably in a transition period and as with all transitions, it's confusing as the past and present paradigms co-exist making it difficult to figure out which one really applies. This is what I think is behind many strained marriage and relationship situations. As Moshiach is on the horizon, the male/female roles shift in important ways. During the twilight of this shift many people are caught between the paradigms. This creates confusing questions like, "Is a man primarily a giver and woman primarily a receiver or is man and woman something else entirely?"<br /><br />Strangely, despite going through marital strains and divorce in my personal life, this question did not hit me so hard as it did when I studied this teaching of the Rebbe. <br /><br />Classical Kabbalah expresses the relationship between male and female, whether cosmic or earthly, with the giver/receiver paradigm. However, I get the sense that the paradigm of "sharing one crown" is something entirely different. I am still groping for the succinct core description of what that relationship is - something that I can say (almost) as easily as giver/receiver. I've so far spent hours meditating and praying over it. I've made some progress, but, haven't yet gotten to the real core. The most I see is that we're entering an age where the light of the "reshimu" (the afterglow of the withdrawn Infinite Light) is finally thawing out and opening up. Since women are more connected to the "reshimu" than men, they will now turn into givers of this particular light. This is a game changer in relationships, as this new source of cosmic feminine energy opens up. However, I just see this as a nice lead. Not as the real core understanding of this paradigm.<br /><br />If you know what this real core is, you'd be doing me a great favor by explaining it to me. <br /><br />Thank you so much,<br />Chag Same'ach V'Shabbat Shalom,<br /><br />ChoniAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post-7043634026290462902011-12-15T23:50:35.804-05:002011-12-15T23:50:35.804-05:00Hellow Choni and Angela,
It is refreshing to read...Hellow Choni and Angela,<br /><br />It is refreshing to read other point of views about the topics of male and female and the messianic age. My understanding on these topics have some similarities to what both of you describe and some twists to them. <br />It is true that giver and recipient(male and female)become equals. But women in chassidus contrary to what I understood you write are anything but less spiritual and aware. In this world all what appears one way is actually the opposite. From the sicha of Chaye Sara 1992 the Rebbe M'H explains that The union of Yitzchok and Rivkah represented union of soul(man)and body(woman). We see spiritual or the soul as being higher but in actuality it is the light reflecting off from the "essence"(source of light). The body is in actuality the source of where the essence lies. The men are chochma, they have the knowledge, but women see the knowledge from its source with depth and width. They are bina, understanding. This quality affects one to actually make a change or grow. Only when one understands the knowledge does he awaken his emotions to cause in him to make a move. That is why Judaism leaves it in the hands of the women to build a home. She encircles her groom 7x under the chupah. 7 representing the emotions in him that she produces. A woman of valor is her husbands will. She moves him to build a home and join her to reproduce "new" offspring in the categories of children, worlds, dimentions or universes. It takes much patients on the part of the woman to allow these changes to come when her work is "ripe". Timing is the critical factor. On that subject about Moshiach. When Moshe came and told the Jewish people that they would be redeemed from Egypt, the men did not believe him. The Rebbe M'h explains that it was in the merit of the righteous Jewish women that there was a redemption and so to in the ultimate true and complete redemption. The year we are in is the end of the 6th day of creation. Accordingly this means Shabbos has already begun. Shabbos is synonymous with Moshiach. We are in the "days"of Moshiach. Days plural meaning there are many levels in this time. When one come to the table (shulchan aruch)to eat from the Shor Habor(Torah Nigle)actual halachot and the livyasan(Torah nistar)esoteric level of Torah, then ones eyes is opened and he "sees"that he is in the true and complete redemption. You become Gods bride. One then goes through a process of absorbing the "combination" of this food going higher and higher. All the worlds are actually here. There are many dimentions and universes co existing on one world. It is just that as one goes higher and higher he expierinces that same world as the guy next to him in a totaly different reality. His perception wider and deeper. That individual creates a ripple affect around him with ever greater frequency and intensity. No Jew is left behind! All Jews are said to become Kohanim while gentiles elevate to the level of being a Yisroel. Each one does come in his time and recieves enlightment according to what he earned in galus (the previous world).Batya Friedmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post-47655990411061685942011-12-14T13:43:06.095-05:002011-12-14T13:43:06.095-05:00Choni Responded to Angela:
Hi Angela,
As you no...Choni Responded to Angela:<br /><br />Hi Angela, <br /><br />As you noted there are some differences between my tradition and your tradition on the sequencing of the messianic events and even what they are. However, I'm with you! Like you, I'm looking forward to the messianic era. And like you, ultimately it's far more important to me that humanity enters this spiritually informed era than whether I had the right handle on understanding it today. <br /><br />~ Blessings, <br /> AlanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post-82171684670401407172011-12-13T06:14:05.087-05:002011-12-13T06:14:05.087-05:00The messianic era will start soon: before the year...The messianic era will start soon: before the year 6000. The only thing I see a little differently is the messianic age will last a 1000 years (universal Sabbath), but I say it can not happen on this old earth. I'm quite sure it will happen with those souls in the upper world. This world (here) will continue for 1000 years. These souls here won't have entered the messianic age. They'll be overcoming. We'll eventually see. I've learned a lot from you, and if I'm incorrect I'll be the firs to point it out.Angelanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post-6351122386091596912011-12-12T23:24:28.905-05:002011-12-12T23:24:28.905-05:00Choni Responded to Angela:
Hi Angela, There are s...Choni Responded to Angela:<br /><br />Hi Angela, There are several variant Jewish understandings regarding the sequencing of phases of the messianic era. The convential Jewish understanding is that the messianic era begins sometime before the year 6,000. The resurrection is a later stage of the messianic era. It also occurs before the year 6,000. Then there's 1,000 of universal Sabbath. After this, there's a new heaven and earth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post-87374752478399457232011-12-12T21:43:48.532-05:002011-12-12T21:43:48.532-05:00Ok, I understand now. This is the way I see it. ...Ok, I understand now. This is the way I see it. God is calling His Bride starting about 1988 and this will continue until around 2028 (saw this in a vision). From now, there is 228 years left for those who will enter into the Resurrection and can achieve Bride status. (Only a small minority enter in a given lifetime/age). The messianic era will never be on this old earth. This will be going on in the upper/eternal world while this earth continues here in turmoil. I strongly see 1000 years being added to give the wedding guest time to overcome and achieve "wedding guest" status. I haven't entirely studied what the Rebbe says about this, but I'm almost certain from this point we have about 1228 years(can't know exactly because an overlapping always occurs). There is no way the wedding guest could be ready in 228 years, but His Bride will be made ready/purified to this status. The door will close for some, and it will be many years before another reopens. We need to prepare and obey our hearts now. Those destined will be the over comers.Angelanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post-2239082720591382382011-12-11T23:06:07.084-05:002011-12-11T23:06:07.084-05:00Choni Responded to Angela:
Thank you Angela. I...Choni Responded to Angela:<br /><br />Thank you Angela. I'm overbrimming with joy that I provide you with delicious food for thought. In this particular teaching the Rebbe was not referring to the seventh millenium. He was talking about what can even occur before the seventh millenium arrives and Isaiah's new heaven and earth manifest. We believe that the messianic era and even the resurrection, as a later stage of that era, will occur before the year 6,000. Right now, our calendar is in the year 5,772. So there's another 228 years left before 6,000. In general, I agree with what you're saying about male = spiritual and female = unenlightened. However, the Rebbe here is groping towards a new male/female paradigm. This is because true Oneness is blind to any sense of levels. To the Creator, in His Glory and Oneness, the highest and lowest levels are equal. They're all merely revelations of one sort or another. In ultimate truth, they are all equally and seamlessly absorbed into His Essence without a trace. Therefore, ultimately one is not any closer to the Creator than the other. Now that the divine playing field has been understood as "gender equal" my question is, "What is the new spiritual gender paradigm that the Rebbe is working from?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post-34160845022305640022011-12-11T09:53:46.939-05:002011-12-11T09:53:46.939-05:00Choni,
Why do people think the new earth won'...Choni,<br /><br />Why do people think the new earth won't have a separation first? The Rebbe taught the new heaven and earth will have a separation from this one, of 7000 years, while souls are stored. Over these last several thousand years, God has been making His Bride ready. Only a fraction of a percentage make it into understanding in a given lifetime/age. After His Bride is chosen, He'll continue making them ready in the messianic era. Then His Bride--and others--will be kept in a holding place until souls begin to emerge into the new heaven and earth, which will, of course, be right here where the old earth is now (for many). That's when the prophet Isaiah's words will be fulfilled.<br /><br />On the topic male/female, a million things could be said, so I don't know where to begin, and I won't! One thing is every female must become male. Male = spiritual. Female = unlightened. But there is so so so much more to discuss your text.<br /><br />Individually we have to arrive. To discuss this topic would require for all of us to sit at a table in person when we have hours to spare! But the best way to learn is step-by-step, and you certainly give us food for thought.Angelanoreply@blogger.com