tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post4159447286569470963..comments2023-10-05T08:21:32.000-04:00Comments on Soul Lite: Regards from CarlChonihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10279879507351594239noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post-17693652910138150142014-01-03T00:08:20.293-05:002014-01-03T00:08:20.293-05:00Continued from previous comment:
Choni: Hi Kelly...Continued from previous comment:<br /><br />Choni: Hi Kelly, Rachel & BB: I apologize that I fell asleep soon after writing this story about "Holy Carl" and couldn't participate in this amazing conversation. I guess "better late than never". The way the 36 hidden tzaddikim are typically portrayed in Chassidic stories answers some of the questions. Firstly, they are self aware. Secondly, their lives depend on their secrecy (if they become revealed to regular people, they typically pass away soon after). Thirdly, they seem to have contact with the revealed tzaddikim, as Carl had with Rabbi Shneur Zalman of Liadi. Fourthly, unless asked to go public (as happened to the Baal Shem Tov), being a hidden tzaddik is a life long vocation. I hope this comment helps out. There's now a touched up version of this story on my blog. I just need to touch it up a bit more and then I'll add it to this string for you. Shabbat Shalom. <br /><br />Choni: To Kelly, Rachel & BB: Here's the touched up version of the story, see my blog. Soul Lite, Holy Carl<br /><br />Kelly: Thank you Choni - I will read the new version while my challah rises. I went on Amazon and purchased the book that BB Melman of Brazil suggested. The reviews looked good but I trust his judgement as well. I hope you had a restful sleep. Shabbat Shalom!<br /><br />Kelly: Also, Choni - I did not know if they were aware or not aware of who they were. Thank you for clearing that up.<br /><br />Choni: My pleasure. If you hear enough of the "hidden tzaddik" stories eventually a pattern emerges that explains some things about their lives. Shabbat Shalom. Enjoy your challah. <br /><br />Kelly: Thank you so much. I just read it and am now following your blog. I wish you only good things.<br /><br />Choni: Amen Kelly! To you as well. <br /><br />Rachel: Choni, when you say they are self-aware, are you saying that they know who they are; ie., that they know they are one of the 36 hidden tzaddikim?<br /><br />Choni: Yes Rachel.<br /><br />Rachel: Also, are you able to comment further about the emerging " pattern that explains some things about their lives."<br /><br />Choni: Very simply Rachel, there are common characteristics that the hidden 36 seem to display in their stories. For example, that they know who they are. Another one, they seem to pass away soon after being discovered by an ordinary person. Yet another one, they don't seem to follow the typical social script of the surrounding Jewish culture. I hope this helps.<br /><br />Rachel: it is so very fascinating....yes it does help...thank you Choni!<br /><br />Choni: My pleasure Rachel. <br /><br />Kelly: Rachel - I ordered the book that Rabbi BB suggested via Amazon. It should be here on Tuesday. It was quite inexpensive (I ordered paperback as it is the end of the month for me!!!!) I think the shipping was equal to the price of the book. I will let you know how it is, okay?<br /><br />Rachel: Thanks Kelly, I think that book will be great. I recently purchased 2 books on Amazon, and so right now I think I need to wait. and Yes I would love to hear from you on this, thank you!<br /><br />Kelly: I will let you know.<br /><br />Rachel: This is the Touch tv series that i mentioned above: Touch (TV series) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Touch is an American thriller television series that ran on Fox from January 25, ...See More<br /><br />Rachel: I'm sorry it got discontinued. I watched it online at couchtuner com (without couch potatoe chips )<br />Chonihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10279879507351594239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post-58209052522476669532014-01-03T00:07:26.977-05:002014-01-03T00:07:26.977-05:00Continued from previous comment:
Rachel: BB, do y...Continued from previous comment:<br /><br />Rachel: BB, do you think you have ever met one of the 36?<br /><br />BB: I'm not allowed to disclose that!<br /><br />Rachel: LOLL!!<br /><br />Rachel: are you all the same?<br /><br />Rachel: here comes the 36 questions! - i should stop<br /><br />BB: We are all sworn to secrecy. This cannot be revealed.<br /><br />Kelly: If I may speak for Rav BB, he has been in the presence of some really fine Rabbis. I also personally think we may have some musicians who *could* be holy tzadikum. We do not know. But they could be anyone.<br /><br />BB: Although I can say that one of them drives a cab, and another one works as a custodian at Grand Central Station.<br /><br />Kelly: This, dearest Rachel, is why we must ALWAYS be kind. Always.<br /><br />BB: Shabbat Shalom to all, and have a good night, or day, wherever you may be!<br /><br />Rachel: Thank you and Shabbat Shalom to you too, wherever you are !<br /><br />Kelly: Shabbat Shalom, Rabbi. I am on the left coast of your continent. Stay warm and well.<br /><br />Continued next post ...Chonihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10279879507351594239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post-85192124343552998162014-01-03T00:05:24.134-05:002014-01-03T00:05:24.134-05:00Continued from previous comment:
Rachel: Thank yo...Continued from previous comment:<br /><br />Rachel: Thank you BB for this information: The Last of the Just. According to Jewish tradition, 36 "just men" are born in every generation to take the burden of the world's suffering upon themselves. Th...<br /><br />Kelly: That is available via Amazon! The Last of the Just. According to Jewish tradition, 36 "just men" are born in every generation to tak...See More<br />BB: They are called "the lamed vav Tzaddikim," the 36 Tzaddikim.<br /><br />Kelly: GMTA<br /><br />Rachel: Kelly what does GMTA mean?<br /><br />Kelly: Yes, lamed vav - I know the very, very basics. Girls learned with Rashi in their Chumash when I was in school. Basic but good. Great Minds Think Alike, Rachel. We both found the book for sale at the same time.<br /><br />Continued next comment ...Chonihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10279879507351594239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post-87515964409312241622014-01-02T23:47:24.041-05:002014-01-02T23:47:24.041-05:00In continuation from previous comment:
Kelly: Not...In continuation from previous comment:<br /><br />Kelly: Not demoted. They are holy, like Moshe or Abraham Rabbeinu. When one dies another is born to take his place or the world would immediately come to a crashing end. There is so much on this. Heaps. The men here probably can find it faster than I can as I did not study this in school but only learned on my own and from stories. I will do some research, though.<br /> <br />I am thinking Rabbi Yisroel (Israel) ben Eliezer (aka The Bael Shem Tov) would be one. Also, there is a tzadik that I cannot think of his name (cannot even write English!) but he went to marry someone dressed as a beggar but was so holy. Let me think a bit. Name eludes me. <br /><br />Rabbis are getting ready for Shabbat but BB Melman is an excellent one to ask. Also, Rabbi Eli Cohen (but he is in Australia and going into Shabbat) or RabbiEliezer Goldstock. I think Choni could also provide answers.<br /><br />Rachel: Kelly yes, I believe you are correct on the Baal Shem Tov.<br /><br />Rachel: A fascinating subject. Would love to learn more about them.<br /><br />BB: I was outed, so I had to move where I am now hidden again, like the Federal Witness Protection Program.<br /><br />Kelly: Maybe we can find some info on this and learn together, okay?<br /><br />Kelly: It was me. So sorry, Rabbi BB<br /><br />BB: Knock it off. I hate moving so much!<br /><br />Kelly <br /><br />Rachel: LOL<br /><br />BB: One literary take on the subject is The Last of the Just, by Andre Schwartz Bart<br /><br />Kelly: Oh. Thank you.<br /><br />Continued next comment ...<br />Chonihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10279879507351594239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1432633271282355020.post-56733443065151453142014-01-02T23:44:11.864-05:002014-01-02T23:44:11.864-05:00Comments from the original FaceBook posting of thi...Comments from the original FaceBook posting of this story:<br /><br />Rachel: Kelly, do you know if the 36 know that they themselves are the hidden 36?<br /><br />Kelly: From what I understand, they are usually not aware. Some may be - not sure. However, as they are so humble they may not believe that they are. Choni or someone else may be able to answer this for us. It is an excellent question.<br /><br />Rachel: Wonderful information Kelly, thanks again. I wonder what else the Talmud and the Kabbalah have to say about them?<br /><br />Rachel: What does it mean to be not normally self-aware? Kelly, Choni, any examples of this that you can provide would be appreciative.<br /><br />Kelly: "According to Jewish tradition, it is believed that in every generation there are 36 righteous ones that are responsible for the continuation of the universe. No one knows that they are the ones who bear all the sorrows and sins of the world. They don’t even know it themselves. It is for their sake that G-d does not destroy the world, even when sin overwhelms mankind.<br /><br />The source of the concept of Tzadikim Nistarim (Hebrew: הצדיקים הנסתרים ) , also known as Lamed Vav Tzadikim (36 righteous ones) , can be found in the Talmud: ""As a mystical concept, the number 36 is even more intriguing. It is said that at all times there are 36 special people in the world, and that were it not for them, all of them, if even one of them was missing, the world would come to an end. The two Hebrew letters for 36 are the lamed, which is 30, and the vav, which is 6. Therefore, these 36 are referred to as the Lamed-Vav Tzadikim. This widely-held belief, this most unusual Jewish concept is based on a Talmudic statement to the effect that in every generation 36 righteous "greet the Shechinah," the Divine Presence""(Tractate Sanhedrin 97b; Tractate Sukkah 45b<br /><br />Rachel: Wow!<br /><br />Rachel: Can they change in a generation? For example can one be demoted and replaced by someone else ? And if so under what circumstances? Or is this a life-time job?<br /><br />Continued in next comment ...<br />Chonihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10279879507351594239noreply@blogger.com